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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 30, 2011 9:27am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Occupied Wall Street News

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list of all OWS items at The Archive


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Monte's Occupied Wall Street News & Journal

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Occupy Wall Street has blossomed from a national movement into a global one. According to the Occupy Wall Street website, the movement has emerged from a climate of outrage over perceived economic injustices. It is taking inspiration from recent social protests in the Middle East, a.k.a. "The Arab Spring".

"We Are The 99 per cent that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1 per cent," say the Occupy Wall Street protesters. This grassroots protest started on Wall Street, but is now spreading far and wide among folks who just can't take it anymore.

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“Occupy Wall Street is a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions,” reads a statement on their website. “The one thing we all have in common is that we are the 99 percent that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1 percent,” the statement says. “We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.”


logo.gifRichard Wolff says, "For 50 years, it has been unacceptable politically in the United States to ask what is basically a straightforward question. We have a particular economic system. It’s called capitalism. We have every right as a society to ask of that system, is it working? Is it working for us? Do the benefits and the costs balance themselves out in a way that says we want to keep the system, or that says we want to change the system, or that says we ought to look for an alternative system? We’ve been afraid to ask that question. We’ve been afraid to have public debates. That’s the legacy of the Cold War. We can’t afford anymore to not do that."

(The Occupy Wall Street movement) "gives a strong impetus to asking those questions. And that doesn’t mean accepting the alternatives of the past. The old efforts of going beyond capitalism had strength, but they also had horrible weaknesses. We will learn from that, as human beings always have. And we can forge a country out of an opening of the debate about this economic system. And I want to be part of that, and I think the American people are ready and interested in doing it, as well. We have to raise these questions." — from the Richard Wolff interview on Democracy Now newshour, July 28, 2011

Richard Wolff is Emeritus Professor of Economics at University of Massachusetts Amherst and author of several books, including "Capitalism Hits the Fan: The Global Economic Meltdown and What to Do About It."


the Occupy Wall Street movement is coming to a City near You!

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Journalists, political analysts, and social scientists are wondering if this sort of social unrest is a sign of a new political movement emerging on the American landscape. The movement was sparked by individuals who believe the excessive political pull of big banks and the financial sector are destroying the middle class. The Occupy Wall Street movement has also attracted the attention and support of trade unions and organized labor.


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The Occupy Wall Street movement shows signs of readying for the long haul. Americans should be prepared to see this movement take hold and spread!

• 31 Oct 2011 - National Geographic cover story for Nov issue - Special Series: 7 Billion People

• 30 Oct 2011 - Occupy New York protesters battle cold weather as snowstorm tests resolve

• 30 Oct 2011 - Fair Work Australia Tribunal orders Qantas to immediately resume flights

• 29 Oct 2011 - Occupy Denver encampment raided by cops in riot gear - 20 protesters arrested

• 29 Oct 2011 - More protesters arrested at Occupy Nashville after new curfew set

• 29 Oct 2011 - Australian Qantas Airlines grounds all international and domestic fleets indefinitely!

• 26 Oct 2011 - Marine vet Scott Olsen's skull fractured when Oakland Police fire projectiles

• 26 Oct 2011 - Top 1% are getting richer: income gap is growing - new report by the CBO

• 26 Oct 2011 - Occupy Oakland raids and Occupy San Francisco movements are discussed

• 25 Oct 2011 - OWS movement claims more than 2,500 arrests in the past six weeks

• 25 Oct 2011 - 300 Colorado Homeowners Close Their Accounts at Wells Fargo

• 25 Oct 2011 - Occupy Oakland raided: Police in riot gear make arrests, tear down tent city

• 24 Oct 2011 - NYSE nixes Michael Moore's CNBC interview on a public street at Stock Exchange

• 23 Oct 2011 - Occupy Chicago: 130 Arrested In City Park Protest

• 21 Oct 2011 - Pete Seeger and Arlo Guthrie join OWS protests - singing We Shall Overcome

• 21 Oct 2011 - Obama announces total U.S. Troop Withdrawal from Iraq by end of 2011

• 19 Oct 2011 - William Black discussion: Occupy Wall Street is a Counter to White-Collar Fraud

• 16 Oct 2011 - SecDef Leon Panetta orders U.S. Special Forces Troop Deployment to Africa

• 15 Oct 2011 - Citibank Arrests Customers For Withdrawing Money From Bank

• 15 Oct 2011 - Times Square Taken Over by Occupy Wall Street Protesters

• 15 Oct 2011 - Global Day of Outrage - Occupy Movement Grows Strong in Europe

• 15 Oct 2011 - Occupy Fort Collins Protesters March Downtown to Wells Fargo Bank

• 14 Oct 2011 - 23 Occupy Denver protesters arrested as police clear out camp site

• 14 Oct 2011 - People Power triumphs in NYC! Liberty Plaza evacuation order is rescinded!

• 12 Oct 2011 - Occupy Wall Street Protest Heads to Millionaire’s Row to Send Message!

• 11 Oct 2011 - 100 Occupy Boston protesters arrested when BPD attacks crowd in full riot gear

• 10 Oct 2011 - Occupy Fort Collins protesters launch their stand in solidarity with The 99 %

• 09 Oct 2011 - Occupy Wall Street protests now in 25 Cities

• 07 Oct 2011 - Afghan War Has No End in Sight - U.S. invaded Afghanistan 10 years ago today

• 06 Oct 2011 - Naomi Klein explains How Wall Street Is Occupying The U.S. Government

• 04 Oct 2011 - Anger over the crumbling economy and 'corporate greed' are discussed

• 03 Oct 2011 - Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz speaks at NYC protest

• 01 Oct 2011 - NYPD Arrests 700 Protesters On Brooklyn Bridge

• 26 Sep 2011 - NYPD 'pepper-spray' officer Anthony Bologna has history of abusing protesters

Here are some important issues the 99% crowd should consider


This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-10-30 16:27:17

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 10:29am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Thanks for the info, Monte.

I share the OWS anger and applaud their rights to and subsequent protests, but part of me is pretty upset that these same protesters were no-shows for the 2010 Congressional elections, and allowed Tea Party Republicans--well funded by the likes of the billionaire Koch Bros., to put in position of power freshman Congressman who will NEVER allow a tax hike of any kind--especially on rich people--to go thru.

My question is: Where were these same people when Russ Feingold was getting voted out of Wisconsin & Gov. Union-Killer was getting voted in? Where were they when the seat to be filled by that moron dick-texter Weiner went Republican in NY? Or around the country in general in 2010 when the GOP took control of the House and nearly the Senate? They were upset b/c Obama turned out to be just another politician and not the savior who walks on water they all thught he was supposed to be? They were "discouraged" b/c he didn't fix all their problems? So their solution was to NOT VOTE and allow an even worse alternative to take the reins???

My point is: Protests are great, but ELECTIONS matter. All the clever signs and slogans and chanting are a wonderful way to let off steam but they won't bring about a retrun of the Glass-Steagall Act, they won't put in place the kind of perfectly reasonable regulations Elizabeth Warren has been calling for to keep the banks in line, and they won't prevent Tea Bagger politicians from trying to dismantle the EPA.

The choices are horrible on either side--but if these people are serious about change, there are grass roots Progressive candidates in every state in the country, and they'd be better spending their time trying to get THOSE people elected to office so change can ACTUALLY HAPPEN rather than having a bunch of drum circles for Fox News to make fun of and have business as usual resume once Pres. Romney gets the seat.

ELECTIONS MATTER.

Let's see if the OWS movement actually makes a difference where it counts.

My 2 cents.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 25, 2011 11:20am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Trust me, we'd love to get some rising-star candidates emerging from the OWS movements, and get them voted into offices.

I agree with you about voter apathy in the USA. The OWS movement needs to have Teach-Ins about this issue.

On the other hand, have you noticed all The States that are passing Voter I.D. Bills? These Bills are destroying Voter's Rights by restricting voter registration for many hundreds of thousands of voters. This is a national catastrophe.

http://www.google.com/search?q=state+passes+voter+id+bill

Re: electing Tea Party officials, how in the hell did Rick Scott, who ran a company involved in the nation's largest Medicare fraud case, become Florida's governor?

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-05-20/news/fl-rick-scott-governor-hca-20100520_1_medicare-fraud-case-hospitals-in-el-paso-hospital-giant-columbia

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 1:59pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

all good questions and yes, people should be outraged at the voter ID nonsense. I've never seen such a cynically-manufactured partisan gimmick to a "problem" that is totally non-existent.

That and redistricting are rigging outcomes all over the place.

all of which is why I have a hard time being optimistic about the end result of OWS.

Don't forget--more people vote for the finalist of "American Idol" than for President. And I can't blame Republicans for that one.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 25, 2011 2:27pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I'm a jolly banker, jolly banker, am I...

http://wilcoworld.net/#!/roadcase/the-jolly-banker

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 26, 2011 8:15am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Oh dear, you mean the States that are enacting voter ID laws are trying to prevent people from voting illegally. Oh the shame.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 28, 2011 6:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

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Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud”

Following the report of the 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform (the “Carter-Baker Commission"), the Brennan Center and Commissioner Spencer Overton prepared a detailed analysis of claims of voter fraud, in the context of a proposed photo identification requirement.

Summary:
• Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare.
• Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud.
• Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct.
• Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda.
• Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 21, 2011 8:08pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Maybe if the left didn't call us a bunch of racists and use gay sex slurs when we where protesting the bailout of wall street with our tax dollars, we might be more sympathetic to this cause.... By the way Obama's top contributors in 2008 were:

University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

Any of those look familiar?

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2011 5:57am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

NC, you forgot to give us McCain's laundry list of top contributors for the 2008 election:

Merrill Lynch, $375,895
JPMorgan Chase & Co, $343,505
Citigroup Inc, $338,202
Morgan Stanley, $271,902
Goldman Sachs, $240,295
US Government, $202,929
AT&T Inc, $201,938
Wachovia Corp, $199,663
UBS AG, $187,493
Credit Suisse Group, $184,153
PricewaterhouseCoopers, $169,400
US Army, $169,020
Bank of America, $167,826
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, $160,346
Blank Rome LLP, $155,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP, $147,437
US Dept of Defense, $146,356
FedEx Corp, $131,974
Lehman Brothers, $126,557
Ernst & Young, $114,506
According to their web site, "The Center for Responsive Politics is the nation's premier research group tracking money in U.S. politics and its effect on elections and public policy. Nonpartisan, independent and nonprofit, the organization aims to create a more educated voter, an involved citizenry and a more transparent and responsive government."

Please note that The Center for Responsive Politics funders includes $50,000 from The Rockefeller Brothers Fund (according to their own web site). This Dirty Money comes from rich billionaires! As of Sept 2011, The Forbes 400 Richest Americans lists David Rockefeller's net worth at $2.5 billion.

Nonetheless, I've listed several news headline items I found in a search of Democracy Now's archives that were reported by The Center for Responsive Politics:

15 Feb 2010 • Record $3.47 Billion Spent on Federal Lobbying in 2009
Despite President Obama’s call to curtail the power of lobbyists in Washington, new figures show a record amount of money was spent on federal lobbying in 2009. The Center for Responsive Politics puts the total at nearly $3.5 billion, a five percent increase over 2008. The pharmaceutical and health products industry spent nearly $267 million on lobbying, the greatest amount ever spent on lobbying efforts by a single industry. The Chamber of Commerce spent over $144 million dollars on lobbying, a 60 percent increase over 2008. Other big spenders on lobbying included Exxon Mobil, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or Pharma, General Electric, Pfizer, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, AARP, American Medical Association, Chevron, the National Association of Realtors, and the American Beverage Association. Sheila Krumholz of the Center for Responsive Politics said, "Lobbying appears recession proof. Even when companies are scaling back other operations, many view lobbying as a critical tool in protecting their future interests."
04 Nov 2008 • Over $1.5 Billion Spent in Most Expensive Race Ever
Today’s vote ends the most expensive presidential campaign in US history. Candidates raised more than $1.5 billion during the primary and general election. This marks the first time a presidential race has topped $1 billion. Barack Obama alone raised more than $600 million as he dropped out of the public financing system.

Sheila Krumholz, of the Center For Responsive Politics: "The Obama campaign, in particular, has had incredible success. To give some perspective, Obama raised in just one month $150 million. That’s about half of what John Kerry raised in the last presidential election throughout his entire campaign. So there’s really no comparison between this cycle’s spending and funds dedicated to previous presidential elections. We’re on a different plane entirely."

With the fundraising edge, Barack Obama has been able to vastly outspend John McCain on campaign ads. A new study by Neilsen reveals that Obama ran 77 percent more TV ads last weekend in the key swing states of Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Both campaigns advertised most heavily in Florida. Over the past month, Obama ran nearly 25,000 ads in the state, nearly three times as many as McCain.
14 Aug 2008 • 2007 Record Year for Lobbying in US
New figures show congressional lobbying reached a new high last year. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, corporations, industries and other interests spent a record $2.79 billion last year. It was an eight percent rise over 2006, amounting to an average of $17 million for every day of Congress. The drug industry saw the highest rise, increasing its lobbying spending by 25 percent. Center for Responsive Politics executive director Sheila Krumholz said, “At a time when our economy is contracting, Washington’s lobbying industry has been expanding. Lobbying seems to be a recession-proof industry.”

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2011 10:27am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

And your point?

Meet the new boss.... just like the old boss. But ask any of the media preferred protestors who they would vote for. Ask them if they would support someone who wants to eliminate the federal reserve which caused all this. Ask them if they agree with speculators and currency killers who escaped form nazi germany but have no problem with a fourth reich.

My point is that you can't have it both ways.

Obama speaks about cutting tax loopholes and making corporations pay their fair share while immelt sits next to him after GE made billions of profit and didn't pay any taxes.

Alec baldwin takes time off from filming credt card commercials to protest banks?

You have warrent buffet going around glossing over the fact that his tax rates is based on capital gains, not SALARY, and meanwhile his company owes back taxes.

Anyone is entitled to send a check to the treasury towards the debt, anyone want to guess how much these fighters for "social justice" have paid in to it above their required tax burden?

Also, just to clarify, taxes are OUR MONEY. WE give it to the GOVERNMENT. So when a politician says they are GIVING you a tax break they are just STEALING less.

War was bad before 2008... now assassinating american citizens and foreign leaders is AOK.

Gitmo was bad, now it's good.

Patriot act was bad, now it's good.

Big business is bad but big government is good.

Wall St is Pennsylvania Ave.

It's all a joke.

Nazi's and communists have both thrown their hat in the ring in support, it's all smoke and mirrors (don't look at the man behind the curtain).

Funny thing is, I won't call anyone of those proestors racist, or bigots, or a bunch of angry white people (like wisonsin was but don't tell ed shultz or he will walk of the stage).

I support freedom of assembly and won't call you unamerican.

I support freedom of speech and won't tell you that you cannot protest.

See the difference?

The left wing tries to silence anyone who disagrees, time and time again.

Doesn't anyone else see how ridiculous all of this is?

I don't think there is any hope, both sides are full of shit.

But have fun trying, it beats watching reality TV.

occupation:

1.An activity or task with which one occupies oneself; usually specifically the productive activity, service, trade, or craft for which one is regularly paid.

2.The act, process or state of possessing a place.

3.The control of a country or region by a hostile army.

Peace

PS: I am getting out of the political debate altogether for health and scheduling reasons and just wanted to go out with a bang, so no hard feelings! I don't think anyone is paying attention that hasn't already made up their mind anyway... my heart and my hard drive already feel a lighter load.

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Poster: garthus Date: Oct 26, 2011 7:21am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Great job noisecollector and well-said.

Gerry

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 23, 2011 7:04am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

My point(s):

• Our Financial and Political Systems are Rigged and Broken (please read my documentation);

• The Global Financial Meltdown is the straw that broke the Camel's back;

• Wall Street Criminals are NOT being charged, tried, and sent to prison;

• The OWS movement has emerged from a climate of outrage over perceived economic injustices;

• We Are The 99 per cent that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1 per cent;

• Wall Street IS NOW Occupied by The People!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2011 3:32pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Report Tax Evasion

Make sure everyone pays their fair share, like the people who exploit day labor from undocumented immigrants:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3949a.pdf

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2011 5:10pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I read your post, did you read mine? You started talking about Mcain, like he matters or something. It would have made sense for the protests to be happening if he had one, then at least they would be consistent... but now the peope who overwhelmingly voted for him are out protesting wall street who helped put him in office.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 24, 2011 4:42pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Yea, ask Charles Keating - McCain doesn't matter at all. ...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 28, 2011 8:10am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Look, I did not talk about McCain. What I mentioned was his list of top contributors, because you listed Obama's top contributors. When I listed this for you, I used the same source you used for citing Obama's list of top contributors: OpenSecrets dot org, a.k.a The Center for Responsive Politics.

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Then I gave you three more sources of theirs documenting the record election spending for 2008, and record spending by Lobbyists. The Center for Responsive Politics is the source.

We agree: Our System Is Broken; Obama and McCain work for the 1 per cent Wall Street club; You and I are in the other 99 per cent!



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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 24, 2011 4:34pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

That was kinda my point... I consider myself to be .000001%, all original angus.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 10:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Thanks for the info, Monte.

I share the OWS anger and applaud their rights to and subsequent protests, but part of me is pretty upset that these same protesters were no-shows for the 2010 Congressional elections, and allowed Tea Party Republicans--well funded by the likes of the billionaire Koch Bros., to put in position of power freshman Congressman who will NEVER allow a tax hike of any kind--especially on rich people--to go thru.

My question is: Where were these same people when Russ Feingold was getting voted out of Wisconsin & Gov. Union-Killer was getting voted in? Where were they when the seat to be filled by that moron dick-texter Weiner went Republican in NY? Or around the country in general in 2010 when the GOP took control of the House and nearly the Senate? They were upset b/c Obama turned out to be just another politician and not the savior who walks on water they all thught he was supposed to be? They were "discouraged" b/c he didn't fix all their problems? So their solution was to NOT VOTE and allow an even worse alternative to take the reins???

My point is: Protests are great, but ELECTIONS matter. All the clever signs and slogans and chanting are a wonderful way to let off steam but they won't bring about a retrun of the Glass-Steagall Act, they won't put in place the kind of perfectly reasonable regulations Elizabeth Warren has been calling for to keep the banks in line, and they won't prevent Tea Bagger politicians from trying to dismantle the EPA.

The choices are horrible on either side--but if these people are serious about change, there are grass roots Progressive candidates in every state in the country, and they'd be better spending their time trying to get THOSE people elected to office so change can ACTUALLY HAPPEN rather than having a bunch of drum circles for Fox News to make fun of and have business as usual resume once Pres. Romney gets the seat.

ELECTIONS MATTER.

Let's see if the OWS movement actually makes a difference where it counts.

My 2 cents.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 28, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I'd bet you dollars to donuts that the percentage of OWS protestors who vote is higher than the national average. Why do you presume otherwise? And while I accept your point that elections matter, elections are not the only important political act. As UncleJohn said in another thread, they certainly have succeeded in framing the national debate, one way or another.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 29, 2011 6:01am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Proof:

Seniors comprise the highest voting group in the nation. No one votes in greater numbers than those over 55. Citizens who fell into older age groups (45-64 and 65-plus) had the highest voting rates (69 percent and 70 percent, respectively in 2008, according to the US Census Bureau figures on voting rates). There are a few gray-hairs at OWS but let's face it--it's not an AARP movement.

and this from the NY Times: Voters under 30 were the only age group to support Democrats (in 2010) but made up just 11 percent of the electorate, typical for a midterm election. By contrast, voters aged 60 and older represented 34 percent of voters, their highest proportion in exit polls since 1982. Catholics, independents and voters age 60 and older also sided with Republicans by margins not seen since 1982.

Seniors in places like Florida and Arizona are the ones who are scared shitless by issues like health care ("Government get your hands off my Medicare!" is one of the classic Tea Party protest signs of complete and utter self-contradiction that emerged during the Obamacare debacle--held by a senior citizen and perfectly satirized in a week of Doonesbury cartoons that followed--and of course immigration, which plays like a violin to the fears of old white people, and is fueled by the likes of Fox News daily.)

My proof that young people didn't vote is evidenced by the 2010 Congressional elections, and the numbers show that young people stayed away in droves. (If the same people carrying signs at OWS did participate, Feingold would still be a Senator in WI. and there would be no GOv. Walker; and the tidal wave of ultra-conservative GOP freshmen ushered in to throw gunk in the machinery of Govt. would not have happened.) But they didn't--and it's no mystery why: Many people who were all hot for Obama and voted for him in 2008 were disillusioned that 2 years on the economy was still mired by Bush and Co.'s war spending, de-regulation-fueled Wall St. meltdown and record deficit, and took the classic "Oh, I guess voting is a waste of time" stance and didn't UNDERSTAND the importance of the numbers game that unfortunately rules Washington (i.e. If we have enough numbers to block any legislation from the other side from ever seeing the light of day we will)....thus--Scott Brown wins in Mass., and the GOP has enough votes in the Senate to kill any Public Option health Care bill and Obama caves on that, settling for a watered-down version that just delivers 30 Mil. more people into the hands of drooling insurance companies.

The proof is in what happened. The 2010 elections were a conservative landslide. I'm no pollster but I'll bet you dollars to donuts if you asked the young people banging on drums right now if they voted in 2010 they'd look at you blankly and say "no, man...but THIS is the revolution."

No, dude. It isn't.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:13pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

STOP USING LOGIC, FACTS, AND EXPERIENCE.

How metaphysically uncreative!

Just say "you are stupid", "fox news sucks", and "occupy something".

Jeez...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

"Occupy everything" is still my favorite. I tried but I couldn't spread myself that thin!!!!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2011 1:00pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Mother, should I trust the government?

http://tinyurl.com/42o8nhh

Oh, BTW, I just released summer stadium dates....

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 30, 2011 7:04am
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NoiseCollector, Very well said!

I'm trying to clean up my insult and pissed off attitude. Wether I'm right or wrong, it is a turnoff. I do not LOL when someone is injured, but I had a sarcastic LOL when I considered the liberal spin put on it and the OWS basically blaming the police and touting the fact that he was a Marine Vet.
He chose to join a very uncool and illegal night scene and did not obey repeated warnings. Now he's some kind of hero! does anyone get it?

I'm sure a LOT of Oakland's Finest are Military Vets too. They have a difficult time keeping the high crime city of Oakland SAFE, for We the People. God bless the OPD

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Oct 28, 2011 11:18am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

How about the NYC OWS folks complaining about the homeless 'joining' their cause just for the free eats!!!

One could argue many of these homeless have been individually protesting (occupying Wall St) for years and are more entitled to the free eats than any of the recent OWSers.

How come the true homeless aren't entitled to a little redistribution?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 28, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

So what are you doing about it?

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Oct 28, 2011 1:38pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Simply noting the irony

There will always be the top greedy 1% - no matter the society or form of government. Doesn't matter if the greed is for money or power. I'm not too concerned with money as long as I am working and making it from paycheck to paycheck. I consider myself very fortunate to have a job now and always having been able to find work (even in the 80's when unemployment was high). I am not above any kind of work - even having delivered early morning newspapers for small $$, painting houses, working in Deli's, and working on fishing boats for a % where often times we made less than 50 dollars a day working 16 hours a day.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 30, 2011 7:08am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Noting the Irony!

OWS rallies frequently get bad PR due to a lack of a clear message. It's a new movement. The message(s) is developing. It's just beginning. The mainstream press regularly refers to protesters at OWS rallies as "mobs". This is complete bullshit!

OWS is open to everyone. OWS movements are highly motivated, and they police themselves pretty damned well. OWS movements don't allow hate-signs or hate-speech. They have General Assembly meetings every day. They keep their protest areas and their encampments clean, organized, and functional. They are expressing Free Speech.

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, who recently was Denver's Mayor, cited public safety as a key reason for sending in Denver cops and Colorado State Patrol in riot gear to break up the Occupy Denver campsite at 3 a.m. on 14 Oct 2011.

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Check out what Gov Hickenlooper says at a press conference the next day.

Does anyone on Planet Earth believe Hickenlooper's disgusting argument? He made his case at a PR briefing when describing the DPD and CSP raid on the Occuppy Denver scene. This is what Hickenlooper said after the campsite was cleared:

"We had people out there cleaning up [the Occupy Denver campsite]. The cleanup was squalid...with the feces -- it was just really unsafe,” Hickenlooper said on Oct 15.
Sure Governor, we're just dinking on Facebook and Twitter:
"Hey everyone, come on down and protest with us in our local OWS movement. We're gonna gather together; do some aimless protests; take a shit right where we're standing; and then we're gonna camp in our own shit piles! We love sitting in our own piles of shit! Whoop-eeee!" said the OWS tooth-fairy.


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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 30, 2011 6:03am
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Is this what Democracy looks like?
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Police making arrests during the Occupy Denver protest on 29 Oct 2011

The OWS movements have two major issues which make them look bad in the eyes of Law Enforcement, The Public, and The News Media:

1) We have many OWS protest encampments that have become magnets for homeless people. OWS encampments are organized and self-sufficient. They are preparing and serving food. They are feeding everyone who is hungry. It's not just food. OWS encampments provide warmth, shelter, and clothing for living outdoors in winter conditions. Homeless people (in need) have become part of this scene. Homeless People are having their voices 'heard' for the first time in 'ages'.

2) There are Agent Provocateurs amongst OWS movements, groups, and encampments. This is a Big Problem for everyone.

Agent provocateur - as defined on Wikipedia
Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.

As a known tool to prevent infiltration by agents provocateurs, the organizers of large or controversial assemblies may deploy and coordinate demonstration marshals, also called stewards


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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 30, 2011 6:02am
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2) There are Agent Provocateurs amongst OWS movements, groups, and encampments. This is a Big Problem for everyone.

Of course! I've seen them at big San Francisco demonstrations, usually ex felons, anarchists, the Hamas looking people in their ninja type outfits/hoods, and drunk kids who throw bottles and M80's at the "Pigs". It's up to YOU OWS people to police them. Their shit is NOT free speech. They provoked police response which led to a beaned person in Oakland. Military service aside, (I really wonder what HE was up to that night-ex military can be nuts too, hey, look at me -lol).

The OWS sure is quick to blame police for the BS the above people spew out, and the OWS and Liberal News sources sure try to generate sympathy as a result of the above named Idiot groups actions. It seems that they are tolerated to garner sympathy. Useful Idiots.

Why are Tea Partys so peaceful and diverse? Sure, you can cherry pick some white mean looking baggers who carry guns (legally btw) at a few rally's in the deep south. Every TP event I went to was peaceful and the people there were regular family people who generally work for a living. I went there lookin like a hippy and NO ONE gave me any grief. Also the TP does not "Occupy" or trespass on property. They get the proper permits and carry on. I saw some trouble at a TP event in S.San Francisco. There were bussed in paid union agitators trying to shout down any speakers. You may think it's cool to shout down free speech, but I don't. Not allowing a person to give a speech is plain wrong. Anyway, the crowd booed them and the police escorted them to outside the reserved Tea Party area where they could picket to their hearts content.

Why don't you "Occupy" the White House? Why is the OWS so NOT going after any democrats who were up to their heads in Wall Street payoffs and campaign $upport?

My protest will be at peaceful events and not trespassing. I'll take my protest to the voting booth to kick the bums OUT, starting with Obama and any other dirty politicians, Democrat OR Republican.


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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 7, 2011 1:52pm
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Re: Why don't you "Occupy" the White House? Why is the OWS so NOT going after any democrats who were up to their heads in Wall Street payoffs and campaign $upport?

Watch this new movie series I just put together on 7 Nov 2011
Alberta Tar Sands: TransCanada's Keystone XL Pipeline
Occupying The White House


Rasta, good point. Remember, this movement started on Wall Street. It's spreading nationally and internationally. Have you tried to 'Google these terms': protesters arrested, white house?

Aug 22, 2011
Tar sands pipeline protesters arrested at White House

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• 06 Oct 2011 - Tar Sands Pipeline - How Wall Street Is Occupying The U.S. Government

news story | interview
In September 2011, award-winning journalist and author Naomi Klein was in Washington, D.C., where she was arrested along with more than 1,000 people in a two-week campaign of civil disobedience outside the White House against the proposed Keystone XL pipeline. The proposed pipeline would carry oil from Canada’s tar sands field to Gulf Coast refineries. Now in New York City to support the Occupy Wall Street protest, Klein joins us to discuss the connections between the two struggles, and the cozy relationship between the White House, the U.S. State Department that is considering the proposed pipeline, and Keystone XL lobbyists...

• 30 Aug 2011 - Top NASA Climate Scientist Arrested in Ongoing White House Keystone XL Pipeline Protest

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One of the nation’s leading climate scientists, James Hansen, was arrested Monday along with 60 others at a protest outside the White House against the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. Hansen is the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Hansen called on President Obama to reject the pipeline, which would stretch from Canada to Texas. Since last week, 522 people have been arrested in Washington protesting the pipeline.

• 28 Sep 2010 - Appalachia Rising: 100 Arrested at White House Calling for End to Mountaintop Coal Removal

news story | interview
Over 100 people were arrested outside the White House on Monday in a protest calling for the abolition of mountaintop removal coal mining. The rally was part of Appalachia Rising, a multi-day event organized by residents of Appalachian communities impacted by mountaintop removal. The protesters were detained after refusing to leave the sidewalk outside the White House fence. The NASA climatologist James Hansen was among those arrested. We speak to journalist and cultural historian Jeff Biggers...


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Poster: obamadocuments Date: Oct 30, 2011 8:38am
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What does any of this have to do with stopping the Corporatocracy in the White House? Wasn't putting a stop to oligarchic / financial megacorporate excess the origninal aim of OWS?

http://www.archive.org/details/BarackObama-TheWallStreetPuppetByWebsterG.TarpleyOnRtv

http://www.archive.org/details/BeforeBarackObama-WallStreetsFirstAttempAtAWhiteHouseCoup

http://www.archive.org/details/TheBestEnemiesMoneyCanBuy-CommunismSocialismAndWallStreet

Please open your eyes.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 31, 2011 4:49am
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• 30 Oct 2011 - from an article in USA Today

Proposal for 2nd oil pipeline sparks opposition
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-30/keystone-pipeline-opposition/51000802/1

"Opponents have staged protests along the pipeline route and in Washington, D.C., and have sought to link the issue to the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Activists next week plan to encircle the White House in a symbolic "house arrest," an action that comes two months after more than 1,000 anti-pipeline protesters were arrested there.

Environmentalists have dogged President Barack Obama's steps at early campaign stops to pressure him to deny the permit, and some groups have made opposition to Keystone XL a signature issue, even promising to sit out the 2012 election if the Obama administration approves the project.
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• 06 Oct 2011 - Naomi Klein on Democracy Now said:

Keystone XL Oil Pipeline Controversy Shows How Wall Street Is Occupying U.S. Gov’t
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/6/naomi_klein_keystone_xl_oil_pipeline

"I think what’s driving people to the streets in New York and around the country now, in the occupy together movement and moment, is the realization that change is not going to come through the ballot box because the political process has been bought and paid for. One thing that I find so inspiring about this moment, and I say this of both the Keystone XL protests and the Occupy Wall Street protest, is that my biggest fear about the Obama Presidency was that it was going to lead this generation of young people into political cynicism and political apathy, because you saw such tremendous hopes raised in 2008 and so many young people really drove that campaign, knocking on doors and sleeping on floors for Obama.

Many of us saw the betrayals coming. And they have come, in climate, more than any other area, but also just in the failure to provide hope for this generation. And they could be retreating into cynicism and apathy. But, instead of retreating into cynicism and apathy they are going to where the power is. They’re realizing that the change is not coming in Washington because politicians are so controlled by corporate interests, and that is the fundamental crisis in this country. And that’s what’s so profound about this. But, in terms of those emails, it’s just an illustration of it. So, you have Paul Elliott who was Deputy Campaign Director for Hillary Clinton’s campaign, gets hired by TransCanada, which is the company that is building — wants to build this pipeline from the Alberta Tar Sands to Texas to carry a very dirty form of oil. Tar sands oil emits three times as much greenhouse gases as a regular barrel of Canadian crude, because, of course, it is in solid form. So, you have to use all of this energy to get it out and liquefy it and then to put it into that pipeline. So, it’s very controversial. They know it’s controversial because there’s a huge international movement against the tar sands."

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 30, 2011 11:15am
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How about what Bush did, before Obama?

Wall Street's Unregulated Derivatives hit Record $681 Trillion in Q3 2007

Wasn't there a Global Meltdown in Sep 2008 due to this?

Wall Street illegally converted JUNK mortgages into AAA mortgage-backed securities! This crap was selling over-the-counter in an unregulated betting parlor run by Wall Street and the 1 per cent crowd. The criminals who did this must be charged, prosecuted, and sentenced to lengthy prison terms!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 30, 2011 9:14am
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7 Billion People and Counting

How Did This Happen and Can It Go On?


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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 30, 2011 7:22am
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the Tar Sand protest is fine and dandy, but the OWS has to take the Obama administration to task for their greed involvement in the Wall Street rip-off! But it seems hands off the corrupt dude in office and Democrat's and demonize and only blame greedy republicans and TP folk.

OCCUPY YOUR VOTING BOOTH AND VOTE THE BUMS OUT!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 28, 2011 2:14pm
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That's cool. I didn't mean to be snarky about it. I find it strange that people hang so much responsibility on the OWS protesters. What they're doing, with some success, is to call attention to growing inequality in this country. That's their job. Asking them to feed the hungry, while a noble act, is kind of missing the point, and criticizing them for not doing so seems like a cheap shot.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 28, 2011 2:26pm
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and, what they've done with GREAT success, is change the dialogue. All summer long the debate focused on how to cut the deficit - at least now the focus is where it belongs, on jobs.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:55am
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I didn't feel you were being snarky.

I did find it ironic, didn't mean to come off as critical.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 21, 2011 9:33pm
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Hey, NC - what's the source of that info? Not disputing it - just curious.

Hope the little man is doing well.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 21, 2011 9:53pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

There is a disclaimer but more or less here:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

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Poster: obamadocuments Date: Oct 26, 2011 11:13am
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I thought from the beginning the OWS thing seemed a little too orchestrated and media savvy. There is a reason for this...

http://tarpley.net/2011/10/08/occupy-wall-street-can-create-a-general-strike-to-dump-obama/

I am convinced that Wall Street has organized a protest of itself through foundations and facilitators which can be controlled and eventually de-fused.

If you don't understand who is really behind the protests, you really shouldn't be part of them.

http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaAndBrzezinskiLieAboutTheirCloseConnections

http://www.archive.org/details/ManBehindTheobamaCurtainZbigniewBrzezinski-Part1of2

http://www.archive.org/details/colorRevolutions-MadisonAvenueMarketingAndTheObama-BrzezinskiAxis

Backing Barack Obama, after his real agenda has been revealed IS backing Wall Street...

http://www.archive.org/details/WhyWouldTheMega-corporateEliteBackBarackObama

Get the facts before following the crowd. That was the mistake LAST time.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 26, 2011 11:32am
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thank you!

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